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make sure you tune in tomorrow night, the true crime story of whitey, united states of america, versus james j.bulger. tomorrow night, 9:00 p.m. eastern. here on cnn. >> that's it for us tonight. see you back here tomorrow. >> "ac 360." starts now. >> good evening. thank you for joining us. different day, different team. the same sad story. another pro football player facing domestic violence charges. tell you why police arrested arizona running back jonathan dwyer. also tonight a strange new twist in the hunt for an alleged cop killer. the fugitive is a war reenactor, not the civil war, the cold war. and he is said to be armed like a member of the old war warsaw pact. we'll begin with a story
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you'll only see here. drew griffin's investigative teams to expose people who are letting america's wounded warriors down, raising millions in their name, taking your money, and lining their own pockets with the proceeds. tonight the focus is on a discredited charity, one that is amazingly still doing business, if you can call it that. and not only that, it's who we have learned is now running this outfit that is truly mind-bending. and it comes on a day when v.a. officials took the heat, a whole lot of it for yet another scandal involving veterans, the hospital mess. so drew has been busy chasing that as well. he joins us from our washington bureau. so you were at the hearing today. what happened? >> anderson, the big question at this congressional hearing was to what happened at the phoenix v.a. did veterans die waiting for care, and did the actual wait kill them? the report that we talked about that was released a couple of weeks ago by the inspectors general's office went out of its way it seemed to say this was no conclusive proof the waits killed anybody. well, today we learned the
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inspector general team actually didn't examine all of the deaths of veterans who died waiting for care, and in fact didn't look at the records of thousands of veterans who are waiting for care, which take a listen, some congressmen found just incredulous. >> there is 5600 veterans' cases that apparently were not reviewed and that you have in the report. so i look forward to the determination why you decide not review those cases. because i fear there are more veterans that died. >> dr. david said there was nothing to review if they didn't get in the door. he was reviewing medical records. and if they didn't get an appointment, they didn't have any records to review. >> would you agree that wait list contributed to the deaths of veterans? it's a yes or no. please yes or no. words mean something. >> yes, they do. >> yes you do? >> no.
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i would say it may have contributed to their death, but we can't say it conclusively it caused their death. >> of course. and you can't say conclusively it didn't. >> the bottom line from this hearing is the phoenix v.a., anderson, was or appears to be still somewhat of a mess. no one has been fired in all of this. and despite the fact there are 93 v.a. hospitals under investigation across the country, and the fbi brought in to investigate possible criminal violations, no one has even been charged with a crime. >> which, again, brings us to this other outrage tonight involving veterans. and that's this terrible charity we have been following despite our reporting and being prosecuted by the state of california continues to rake in money in the name of veterans. here is drew's report. >> reporter: help hospitalized veterans is one of the most troubling charities we have ever reported on. its mission is to take in donations and then help hospitalized veterans by sending them arts and crafts kits, models to occupy time of vets who are hospitalized. the charity has been raking in donations for more than 40 years, and in 2011 and 2012, the
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last two years the charity filed tax returns, it collected $64 million. those same filings showed its officers paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in salaries, donated money, paid for $80,000 in golf club memberships and directors and their spouses were approved to travel first class for any function related to the charity all money supposedly donated to help hospitalized veterans. >> hello, mr. lynch. >> reporter: when we confronted their then ceo two years ago about what this charity actually does, mike lynch told us he would explain it all tomorrow. >> all right. we'll see you tomorrow. >> reporter: tomorrow came and we got this. >> i have a statement that i have prepared. it says we hope that these unproven allegations will not
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diminish the more than 40 years of service hhps provided to our nation's most valuable treasure, our veterans. hhv looks forward to tell its story and hopes that this action will not impede its ability to provide vital support to hospitalized veterans nationwide. thank you very much. >> what about -- i got to ask you, about the money, though. i mean, that doesn't answer any of the questions about the money that they're -- that's it? that's all you're going -- that's all you guys are going to say? >> reporter: the state of california cracked down on the charity, forced it to change its board, retire its ceo and pay back $4 million in fines. and even more startling, cnn has just learned the veterans administration itself banned help hospitalized veterans from having anything to do with its veteran's hospitals or patients for the past two years, something help hospitalized veterans never bothered to mention on its website. but in a surreal twist, the charity survived.
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how? by hiring this woman to run its operation. and this is where poor management at the v.a., the actual department of veterans affairs, and the very bad veteran charities intersect. diane hartman was an administrator with the v.a. for years until this 2010 scathing government report found hartman taking luxurious trips to las vegas and san diego, misusing money, and then lying to cover it all up. according to the v.a.'s office on the inspector general, hartman had misused official time and travel, failed to properly record compensatory time for her subordinates, and improperly used hundreds of hours of unauthorized compensatory leave herself. it wasn't enough at the v.a. for hartman to get fired. she retired a year later.
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after a more than 30-year career with the v.a. so what does diane hartman have to do with help hospitalized veterans? this disgraced charity was looking for a new ceo, and a disgraced former v.a. administrator apparently was the perfect fit. >> i can't believe a charity of that stature could possibly overlook that person's background. that was not merely an allegation made by someone at the veteran's administration. that was a long, thoroughly vetted report. and what they concluded are activities that no ceo -- i would say actually no charity employee should have in his or her background. >> reporter: hartman has been the ceo here for two years. but when we began asking questions, her status suddenly changed. she is now listed as interim ceo. and that ban on help hospitalized veterans from doing business with the v.a., well,
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it's just been extended another two years. at its warehouse in california, workers look busy, assembling what looked like those craft kits. at least that's what we were able to see until they shut the doors. in a statement, the charity says it is finding alternative avenues to distribute the craft kits. but where are they sending them? and why is this charity still collecting money? we wanted to talk to the new ceo. hello. >> hi. >> is diane hartman in? >> she is not available. >> is she in? >> she's not available. >> can we talk to somebody about help hospitalized veterans? my name is drew griffin with cnn. >> one moment. >> reporter: even though the ceo diane hartman is just upstairs, the receptionist calls the plant manager whose name is chip. hey, chip, drew griffin with cnn.
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i was trying to reach diane hartman. i understand she is here but not available. i want to ask you about this letter, which extends the ban you guys have with v.a. hospitals. you can't work in v.a. hospitals. you can't have any access to v.a. hospitals. and i want to know how does the help hospitalized veterans continue to operate if it can't deliver any products that it says it delivers to veterans in hospitals? >> i don't have any comment to that. you know, i'm not -- i don't know how to comment to that. >> can anybody comment? i mean, you're asking the public for donations, and you're getting millions in donations. and yet the v.a. doesn't want you to have anything to do with any of their hospital services or veterans. it would seem that somebody at this facility should be able to explain what's going on. >> i'm in -- not part of that operation. i don't have -- >> reporter: can you find
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anybody who is part of that operation? this is the operation, right? >> yep. >> reporter: diane is upstairs, right? >> yep. >> reporter: can she come down? >> i don't know. i don't know. >> reporter: can you go ask her, maybe, or just give her a call? >> i haven't been able to get ahold of her this morning. >> reporter: she is upstairs. >> she has been tied up. between meetings and -- >> reporter: does she have an assistant? >> no. >> reporter: okay. >> i don't know if you can make an appointment. >> reporter: we've tried. we have tried. maybe i'll ask this person here. there any chance of making an appointment with diane? >> you can leave your information. >> reporter: okay, we tried that route already. haven't got a call back. >> i just answer the phones here. i'm sorry. >> you know, what makes me so outraged about this, these people are so sleazy, they're taking people's money and if they were a real charity, if they were a legitimate charity, they would at the very least give you an appointment. they should be completely transparent.
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they should be completely willing to say here is how we deliver, you know, kits to veterans in hospitals, even though we've been banned by the veteran's hospitals, we supposedly deliver these kit taos. here is how we do it. and chip, you know, is standing there like this is the first he has ever heard of it, like he doesn't even know he works for this sleazy organization. >> it doesn't make sense. and anderson, you're involved with charities that do good works. and that's the first thing they do? please come with us. we're going show you. >> they're eager for attention. >> exactly. they're dying for attention. >> these guys, to quote mike wallace from "60 minutes," they're running around like cockroaches, like scuttling from the cameras. >> that's exactly right. and the problem is the their target audience, the people who are sending in money are mostly, i hate to say it, anderson, they're not watching our show. they're elderly people. they're people who are soft sells through the mail, and they don't get the information that we're delivering right now to all of our viewers that if you get something from help hospitalized veterans in the mail, you should be very suspicious when they're asking you for money. and we can't tell that story enough. >> the name is so manipulative. of course you get something that says help hospitalized veterans, you want to do whatever you can. obviously, the state of
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california here agrees with this. the veteran's administration agrees. yet they continue to exist, taking donation. is there nothing that can be done to shut them down? >> like i said, this is what can be done. people need to stop giving to this group. it's unfortunate, but the laws are extremely weak. and there is no push to make them any stronger. we did receive a statement from this charity's new chairman of the board, basically saying that they did know, by the way, about that most recent v.a. letter that bans them from the v.a., and that the charity was trying to reinstate itself, get access to the hospital, hoping for a more favorable outcome. and that the new chairman also blamed employees that are no longer there. they are -- they say they are fully focused on rebuilding the
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trust that was shaken. but they're not going to say that on camera and they're not going to answer questions. >> how about one of these sleazy people actually come on camera, with you, with me, with us both together, rather than just give out statements that are yeah, we're aware the v.a. has banned us. well, yeah, i would hope you. i'm sure they're aware. that's nothing enough. it's just outrageous. >> yep. the invitation is open. the last thing i want to do is truck back to this desert in california and have to knock on their door because they won't answer our calls. >> well, let's hope chip is watching, or whoever. all right, drew. thanks very much. quick reminder. make sure you set your dvrs so you can watch "360" whenever you want. ahead, another player facing charges. his alleged victim -- an adult woman and an 18-month-old child. plus the major reversal by the minnesota vikings. they finally benched adrian peterson, banning him from all team activities until his felony child abuse charge is resolved. take a look what made them change their mind.
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jonathan dwyer, facing charges of aggravated assault. in a statement the cardinals said they deactivated dwyer. his arrest hours after a reversal by the vikings. that team benched adrian peterson banning him from team activities until child abuse charges were filed. >> we have decided that the appropriate course of action for the organization and for adrian is to put him on the exempt list, until the legal proceedings are complete. we made a mistake. and we needed to get this right. >> the mistake he is talking
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about the decision on monday to lift peterson's suspension after the vikings got shellacked. the fallout was immediate. hasn't stopped. sponsors have suspended or cancels deals with the team and peterson. anheuser-busch one of the biggest sponsors hasened pull s out yet. it criticized the league -- now, another new development today the carolina panthers placed defensive end greg hardy, convicted of domestic violence on their exempt list calling it a voluntary leave. joining me, rachel nichols, host of unguarded and senior legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. >> these just keep coming. this its arizona cardinals running back, jonathan dwyer, second string running back important part of their team. came over from the pittsburgh
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steelers. the investigation into two separate incidents that happened on back to back days in july involving a woman the mother of his child, and after those incidents, she actually left the state and left him with the child. so the investigation has taken a while as they have tried off to get out of state medical record. court documents. they pufld hlled him out today question him. he is being arrested booked as we speak. >> of the vikings decision to deactivate peterson. if the it's really interesting. it wasn't out of fans or the public's uproar. it was when sponsors started to -- >> or a sense of moral responsibility. god forbid anybody employee that around here. >> it does seem more like once sponsors started to get nervous and speak out, that's when the decision was reversed. >> you could see the sponsorships and the sponsors were acting because the consumers were upset. absolutely. and right now we've got this situation where the nfl seems to be levying punishment with an
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etch a sketch, that they scribble something out and erase it the next day and scribble something else out. adrian peterson in the last four days has been act deactivated, reactivated andy activated again. nothing has changed. >> both peterson and hardy were put on the exempt list. why didn't the nfl step in and suspend them under its new domestic violence policy? >> because i think the nfl is operating under a complete panic approach, that they are operating day by day, trying to figure this thing out as they go. they don't have a clear policy in place. and they are just trying to get from one -- not even one week to the next, one day to the next. because as rachel said, you have had the two most prominent people arrested in the nfl. the nfl has changed and the teams have changed their
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punishments immediately after public reaction. and there is no reason to think that these rulings are at all final and they're going to continue operating by the seat of their pants because they don't have a clear policy in place. >> i want to splay something the carolina panthers' coach said about the hardy situation. >> there are a lot of circumstances that we don't know. there are a lot of situations we don't understand. and it's hard because you don't know how. you really don't. this is not a normal set of circumstances situation. and when you get into these types of situations, you try to handle them the best you can. >> what is kind of stunning about this is that there are a lot of circumstances we do understand about this. and i just want to point this out. hardy was found guilty, guilty of domestic abuse, according to his ex-girlfriend's testimony, he beat her, threw her on to a floor, into a bathtub, on to a couch filled with weapons, saying he was going to use those weapons to kill her.
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>> yes. >> what else do you need to understand? >> there was a 911 call of another witness to all of this. and then the reason the coach is sort of saying oh, these are unusual circumstances is that greg hardy, the player involved has gone to not only the team, but the police and said hey, she's making all of this up. his claim is that she got the bruises by throwing herself into the bathtub somehow. bruising herself. and that she is just make it up, despite, again, a witness calling in to 911. so he is appealing his judge verdict for a jury trial, which he is allowed to do in that state. however, anybody on the outside of this team has said over and over again, he was convicted. and yes, he has the right to appeal, but while he is appealing, there is no way he should be on the field. >> anderson, if i could just add one thing. you know, just one corner of this bizarre series of
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developments is the cult of the head coach in football is a big thing. they are the leaders. they are supposedly masterminds of these complicated operations. and we have seen two of the dumbest comments from harbaugh, the coach of baltimore and rivera. i mean, that was just a word salad. what he said made no sense at all. and it's just embarrassing that these guys who are supposedly so smart on the football field can be so dumb when it comes to human relations. >> and again, dumb after all of this stuff has hit the public's radar. it's not as if these statements were made a long time ago, especially even for harbaugh, who came out in the wake of all this and said stuff that is kind of stung. thank you very much. rachel nichols, we'll have more in the 9:00 hour tonight. as always, you can find out more on the story now and others on up next, facing what he says is a clear threat from isis, president obama under fire for being less than clear some say about how to meet the challenge. i'll talk to the president's spokesman about how he answers the critics. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet
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welcome back. keeping them honest tonight. what critics hold the obama administration shortage of clear speaking when it comes to the crisis and the problem that all sides seem to have in deciding openly what needs to be done and how realistically to actually do it. whether it's preemptively
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deciding a ground war or selling an alliance. too many willing allies, certainly few willing to fight, at least publicly, whether rhetorically boosting the iraqi government that hasn't shown it can actually govern or on the other side of the government, pushing as many warhawks have pushing america's commitment to go all in without openly acknowledging the potential cost of going all in. listen to what you hear tonight. see if it sounds like clear speaking to you or not. first president obama. >> i want to be clear, the american forces that have been deployed to iraq do not and will not have a combat mission. >> that's today at centcom headquarters in tampa. secretary of state kerry also testifying before the senate foreign relations committee. listen. >> isil must be defeated, period. end of story. and collectively, we are all going to be measured by how we carry out this mission.
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>> it's a simple commitment. and that's about as far as the clarity and simplicity go. now listen from just a day ago. here is general martin dempsey, chairman of the joint chief of staffs on sending troops. >> we reach a point where i believe our advisers should accompany iraq troops on attacks against specific isil targets, i'll recommend that to the president. >> so now as a member of the military, dempsey doesn't make policy. he does have clout, and his words got noted by the president's supporters. "the new york times" treated it as a betrayal, quote, there is no way to read yesterday's testimony by martin dempsey other than as a reverse federal the firm commitment mr. obama made not the immerse the country in another endless ground war in the middle east. well, there are other doubts as well such as these from bipartisan former defense secretary robert gates who served president's obama and bush. >> they're not going to be able to be successful against isis strictly from the air, or strictly depending on the iraqi forces or the peshmerga or the
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sunni tribes acting on their own. so there will be boots on the ground if there is to be any hope of success in the strategy. and i think that by continuing to repeat that, the president in fact traps himself. >> keeping them honest, we have senator john mccain on the program several times. we asked him tough questions about the risks of getting deeper and deeper into the mess in iraq and syria. earlier tonight i had a chance to do the same with white house press secretary josh earnest. josh, you said today the president wouldn't even consider a combat role for u.s. troops in this expanded fight against isis. the president said as much in front of troops, saying there won't be a combat mission. as you know, general dempsey said if the situation change and he felt u.s. ground forces were necessary, he would recommend that to the president. i want to play for our viewers exactly what he said. >> okay. >> if we reached the point where i believe our advisers should accompany iraq troops on attacks against specific isil targets,
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i'll recommend that to the president. >> special forces operators accompanying iraqi troops on attacks against isis forces. that sound like a combat role. >> anderson, what he was talking about is he is talking about the advise and assist role that american service personnel already have in iraq. handy was contemplating situations in which american personnel, american military personnel could be forward deployed with iraqi security forces. and from those forward deployed locations could be offering them some tactical advice as they carry out combat operations. >> but going out on attacks? >> when iraqi security forces are carrying out attacks or engaged in combat with the enemy, you can imagine a scenario where american servicemen and women could be forward deployed alongside them, offering some assistance, maybe even calling in airstrikes. but those american military
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members would not be in a position where they would directly or personally engaging the enemy in combat. that's the distinction that the president is drawing here. >> but combat, as you know, a messy thing. >> it is. >> and the best laid plans change once bullets start flying. you can't actually say that forward deployed u.s. military personnel with iraqi troops on an attack are not going to be in a position where they have to use their own weapons to either defend themselves or to go after the enemy. you can't now say that, can you really? >> the president directed the deployment of some military personnel to iraq to do things like secure the embassy and to staff the joint operations centers to coordinate with iraqi and kurdish forces. those forces were equipped because they need to be in a position where they can defend themselves. but ultimately, their mission, their role will not be to engage in combat directly with the enemy. that will be the responsibility of iraqi security forces. it is the president's view that the united states military should not be in the position where we are providing security for the iraqi people. the iraqi people, the iraqi military, and the iraqi government need to step up and take responsibility for their nation's security. >> they need to, but their capabilities are under question
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at best. i mean, as we've seen on the battlefield, their general core that was put in by maliki is basically incompetent in most cases. the soldiers have not been able to actually fight or retake territory, certainly in any sunni-controlled areas. and probably the most efficient fighters they have right now are the shia militias. are you seeing a scenario, or under what scenario do you see the iraqi security forces and the military actually being capable of engaging in combat successfully? how is that suddenly going to change given all the money, all the training we have already given them and they've been inept. why in the next few months is something going to change, they're suddenly going to be able to actually work on the battlefield? >> well, anderson, there is something really important that has changed, which is there is a new government in iraq. the previous government under prime minister maliki had divided that country.
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that prime minister maliki governed that country in a way that exposed the sectarian divisions that are evident in that country. the new government took office, took power in a way that sort of reflected the diversity of the nation of iraq. >> as you know, though, iraqi security forces, they have been designated by the politicalization of their officer corps. and a lot of those generals didn't even have military experience. they were appointed for political reasons. i mean, you're telling me reforming the entire iraqi military is going to change just because they got a new president or a new prime minister? >> no. what i'm saying, anderson is those who are serving in the iraqi security forces can now be confident that they're actually fighting for a central government that reflects the interests of the whole country. >> i certainly hope the sunnis share your enthusiasm into this new government. will u.s. military personnel or intelligence personnel be reaching out to sunnis, to sunni groups, just as we did during the -- to advent the sunni awakening in 2006-2007? will we be trying to make direct contact, or are we going to be solely relying on what, you
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know, this government which you clearly seem to believe has a desire to reach out? >> well we have seen a positive indications from the new central government in their commitment to unifying that country. >> will u.s. personnel reach out? >> i do anticipate that will be part of their responsibility if american personnel interact. more importantly, there are other governments in the region, sunni-led governments in the region that do have a stake in this outcome. that isil is this extremist organization that is wreaking havoc and perpetrating interpret arguments of violence on the doorstep of these other sunni-led governments. so it's in the interests of these other sunni-led governments in this region to count their threat. >> i know i have to let you go. will u.s. personnel be working with shia militias? >> i'm confident that what we will see -- well, let me say it this way, anderson. we have been clear that the united states will not coordinate our military activities with iran. what we will do, though, we're going to work very closely with iraqi security forces and
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kurdish security force. >> but as you know, shia militias are the ones defending baghdad. they're enmeshed now with iraqi security forces. >> and what the iraqi security forces are doing is they're working with some militias. the united states and our coalition partners will be working closely with the iraqi and kurdish security forces to make sure we're coordinating the effort to take the fight to isil on the ground that will be the responsibility of iraqi security forces, and they will be backed up where appropriate by the use of american and allied air power. i do think that will make them more effect offensive tonight battlefield. >> we don't have a direct policy. there is no way u.s. personnel will be directly advising shia militia? >> the responsibility of the american military on the ground in iraq will be to work closely with iraq security forces to advise and assist them as they take the fight to isil on the ground in iraq. >> all right. as you know, it's a complicated situation on the ground. >> it is. >> shia militias are working hand in glove with iraqi security forces on the ground there. up next, a cop killer who may be hunting for more targets. today authorities releasing new details about who this guy is. the manhunt is going on right
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now. he is a cold war role player. and how they say he is now bringing that role to deadly life, right now. as i said, this manhunt is under way. we'll have the latest on that.
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welcome back. a troubling story right now. a manhunt is on. authorities say he is out there somewhere tonight, armed with a rifle, an ak-47 and a vicious hatred for police, according to authorities in northeastern pennsylvania. they say he ambushed and shot these two state police officers late friday night, killing corporal bryon dickson and wounding alex douglass. the guy's name is eric frein. he is 31 years old. this is a picture of him. he is on the run, dangerous, thought by police to be bent on killing again. we have new details from jason carroll. >> reporter: pennsylvania state police are piecing together a profile of a man they're calling a killer. 31-year-old eric frein. >> this fellow is extremely dangerous. >> reporter: pennsylvania police commissioner frank noonan describes him as man with a mean streak who had separatist leanings, a love for guns, and a hatred of law enforcement. >> his head is saved very
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closely on the sides and with long hair on top. it's wider than a mohawk. he was last seen with no facial hair and was wearing a brown and gold wind breaker, khaki shorts and sneakers, carrying a dark green backpack. they also have determined frein belongs to a military simulation group known as an airsoft gun team. this particular group reenacted the goal of eastern european soldiers during the cold war and simulated combat. >> in his current frame of mind, frein seems to have assumed that role in real life records investigators say frein was socially withdrawn and had made angry statements about police to people he knew. >> that's one of the real focal points on our investigation is
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why now, why blooming grove. we really don't know. but we're talking to everybody that we can find that might have any information concerning that. >> reporter: investigators spent much of the day not only searching for frein, but also interviewing his neighbors, his friends, and family. investigators continue to come in and out of the frein home. also right outside here, you can see there is a state patrol car keeping guard as well. the suspect lived here with his parents. the suspect's father telling investigators that two weapons are missing from the house, an ak-47 and a rifle. investigators found a book in frein's bedroom titled "sniper training and employment." his father, an army veteran told police he trained his son to shoot, and that he does not miss. these pictures from frein's high school year book from his senior year show him on the school's rifle team. his, quote, i feel that we could have done a lot better in matches this year if it wasn't for the fact that in anticipation for the rifle team being canceled. frein's love of guns and the
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military continued into adulthood. he is well-known for walking around the small community of candensis in full military uniform. >> he is a very serious young man. he always wore green. i always thought he was in the service. >> reporter: elaine did not want to give her last name. she runs a gardening store in town and says she has known the family for ten years. >> i was devastated. and it didn't surprise me, i guess. >> reporter: why didn't it surprise you? >> i guess because my children are so outgoing. you know what i mean? when my kids meet you, hello, how are you, they shake your hand, they, you know, they're very outgoing. this young man was not. and i do think that, you know -- but the mother is very sweet. i don't know the father. >> reporter: and when you say he wasn't outgoing, was he withdrawn? >> i think he was very quiet, and he did not speak when he came in. >> reporter: now a town on edge as police continue their manhunt. >> and jason carroll joins us now from the search zone. did this guy have any run-ins with the law that had caused a grudge against law enforcement or something?
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do we know? >> well, he did. and in fact it was just about several years ago he was arrested for possession of stolen property. that happened in new york, in new york state. and investigators are theorizing that perhaps, anderson, just perhaps that may have been the beginning of him mistrusting law enforcement. so these are some of the things that they're piecing together as they put together their investigation. but make no mistake about this, the real focus of what is going on out here, out here in these dark woods behind me is to try to find this man before he hurts somebody else. >> let's hope they do. jason, thanks. digging deeper now in the story, it seem strange. if this guy is acting out of some kind of military simulation role as police believe he is, certainly it would make one think he would be looking to engage in combat or engage with officers searching for him. >> yeah, that would be the pocket, anderson, that this was just the beginning. he ambushed those two officers. and using the 308 sniper rifle
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that he used, the hunting rifle, he is able to kill police officers or anyone else from hundreds of yards away, firing a large supersonic bullet that the victim actually gets hit with the bullet before the sound even gets there. so he could have shot these two officers before they ever knew what hit them, killing one, wounding the other. so that's a very dangerous weapon. the ak-47 obviously, you know, if he is doing cold war reenactments, the kalishnakov weapon developed in the soviet union during the cold war was the weapon of choice by the soviet union. now world famous as the weapon of choice of terrorists everywhere. if that gun is either a semiautomatic, or maybe he converted it back to being a fully automatic weapon, that's dangerous. so we don't know how much ammunition, how many magazines he has, what capacity he has for a sustained gun battle. but just the fact that he can kill from a long way off makes him very, very dangerous. >> and the police, the state police in pennsylvania are
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speaking directly to this guy. during the press conference, they made it very clear they're coming for him, which sound like it could be exactly what he wants. >> it could be. it could be that he is lining this up to have the -- you know, the armageddon gun battle with law enforcement that he is looking for. and, you know, the fbi had a case in 2010 involving the hutaree militia who wanted to kill a police officer and ambush hundreds of officers when they attended the funeral parade. that's going to happen tomorrow. so maybe he'll come out of the woodwork shooting. we don't know. > in a case like this, and you a heavily wooded area, police have to search everywhere. and then do they have to maintain troopers in that area so that the person, the suspect doesn't potentially move back into an area they have already searched? >> right. they absolutely do. and the big concern here is that he would commit a home invasion to seek shelter and food and
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water. >> like chris dorner did. >> very much like dorner. and i thought of dorner immediately when they talked about finding his abandoned vehicle. because that's what dorner did. and the authorities during that case were speculating that dorner had fled, he could be a long off, he could be in mexico. and all that time he was within a few hundred yards of the original where he abandoned. he is dangerous and could be right under the nose right there in the woods in pennsylvania. >> we'll continue to follow it. tom fuentes, we appreciate you being on. just ahead tonight in this hour, new questions about whether the clinic where joan rivers suffered fatal complications should still be open. new details about who ordered the clinic to suspend all procedures. arenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. it's a non-nicotine pill. chantix reduced the urge for me to smoke. it actually caught me by surprise. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. if you notice any of these, stop chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of mental health problems, which could get worse while taking chantix. don't take chantix if you've had a serious
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> tonight we're digging deeper on the clinic where joan rivers suffered fatal complications. what was supposed to be i routine operation on her throat. last night we reported what a source close to one of those investigations told cnn's susan candiotti, that rivers stopped breathing and suffered cardiac arrest as her personal doctor, who was not certified to work at this specific clinic began performing a biopsy on her vocal chords, a biopsy that was done without rivers' prior consent. the sources also say that doctor took a selfie in the room while rivers was under anesthesia. tonight susan has more to report
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and new questions about whether the clinic should even be open for business. >> reporter: at the yorkville endoscopy clinic, it appears to be business as usual pending the outcome of a state investigation following the death of joan rivers. but the clinic's accrediting agency has for two weeks been calling yorkville to suspend procedures and surgeries immediately. it's the nonprofit american association for accreditation of ambulatory surgery facilities. yorkville, and more than 2,000 other medical facilities pay the group for inspections to assure the public of quality care. in some states, accreditation is the same as being licensed. >> it shows that you're a member of the club, that you're in good standing, and that you are recognized to be good at what you do.
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>> reporter: cnn has exclusively obtained letters written by the accreditation group to the clinic, and we learned to the federal agency that governs medicare payments, stating yorkville is in, quote, immediate jeopardy, putting it on emergency suspension, adding it must stop procedures and surgery until accreditation questions are settled. one letter was written to dr. lawrence cohen, who cnn has learned performed the endoscopy on rivers. according to the letters, the agency jumped in on its own when it heard about river's cardiac arrest at the clinic. accreditors made a unscheduled visit. both tell us involve possible uncertified uncredited staff, doctor, and unauthorized procedures at the clinic. the same allegations cnn has been told that state investigators have been looking into, including rivers' personal doctor, not certified by the clinic, who was asked to begin an unauthorized vocal biopsy. if rivers didn't consent at all -- >> that's malpractice. you're not allowed as a physician to operate on a patient without consent to perform that operation. >> reporter: that's because one penalty of even temporarily losing accreditation could mean losing all medicare reimbursements according to an expert. yet with activity wednesday inside and out of the facility on new york's affluent upper east side, there was no sign of an emergency suspension. how can that be? medical malpractice attorney andrew smiley. it appears to be open.
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it appears that they are seeing patients. what are we to make of that? >> what i would make of it is that they're not too worried about medicare. they're on the upper east side, and they probably have a lot of private paying wealthy patients that don't want to deal with hospitals. >> reporter: the fact is new york licenses yorkville clinic, not the accreditation association. so far neither the clinic nor any doctors have been accused of wrongdoing. >> and susan candiotti joins us now. you have a statement just now from the clinic? >> we did.
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and it says that they continue to maintain all of its federal, state accreditation, and that they're fully authorized to take care of their patients, as that statement reads, and they'll continue to do so, that they're committed to adhering the standards of this accreditation agency. but we couldn't ask any more questions to try to clarify well, did something change between the time that you received these letters two weeks ago and now? because we can't get any more information. what is interesting, though, we checked back with the accreditation agency that sent the letters today, and they said we can't comment to you because of our ongoing investigation of the clinic. so we'll try to clear it up, of course, and get back to you to explain what is going on. >> all right, susan, thanks very much. thanks for watching. our coverage continues next with "cnn international." parmesan crusted shrimp scampi! the year's largest variety of shrimp flavors! so many to explore! as much as you like,
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hello, and welcome to the united states and all around the world. i'm rosemary church. >> i'm john vause. coming up this hour, voters in scotland will head to the polls in just a few hours. >> terror plot. police in australia disrupt an alleged plan by isis to kidnap and behead an aussie citizen. >> right now is a time for calm. we need to let people know they are safe. >> no combat troops. the u.s. president double downs on his pledge not to send ground troops to iraq. >> also ahead, more trouble for america's national football league.


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